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2010-01-14T20:44:16.016+05:30

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2009-06-26T21:59:57.501+05:30
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"Vinod Mehta's secular credentials are in...

2009-06-23T12:31:10.850+05:30
"Vinod Mehta's secular credentials are indeed unquestionable, he even asked the question "what kind of Animal is this soft hindutva?" in national television. Now that's another feather in the secular fabric of his cap."

ha ha.. just do a google search for 'vinod mehta biased', u can find an article written by him where he openly admits that he is a congi boot licker.. i think he wont admit that on TV until he gets a padmashri.. there is a tough competition between him and Vir Sanghvi.. Vir Sanghvi has marched ahead of VM after launching his own website!!

Oldtimer, Vinod Mehta's secular credentials a...

2009-06-23T08:28:15.454+05:30
Oldtimer,

Vinod Mehta's secular credentials are indeed unquestionable, he even asked the question "what kind of Animal is this soft hindutva?" in national television. Now that's another feather in the secular fabric of his cap.

see how bjp-modi enemies like bunty types rampant ...

2009-06-23T06:08:04.290+05:30
see how bjp-modi enemies like bunty types rampant in elmedia-mfia,congress and among minorities will not admit the truth about gujarat even if industrialist,crores of gujaratis and economic reports do

but strangely swapan a so called bjp guy will admit the falsehood that mms is honest despite all the facts to the contrary which happened and r true but media hides them and i have pointed out here
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"Even (Modi's) worst critics need to admi...

2009-06-22T11:32:17.738+05:30
"Even (Modi's) worst critics need to admit that Gujarat has made rapid strides during his tenure."

I admit to no such thing.

Oldtimer, Yes, VM is pro-Sonia, (openly) biased, e...

2009-06-22T07:52:55.027+05:30
Oldtimer,
Yes, VM is pro-Sonia, (openly) biased, etc but you have to give him one thing: his magazine gives more space to anti-views in Letters as aslo web than any other mainstream English magazine / paper in India. Contrast this to a self-styled liberal newspaper - Telegraph, Kolkatta - which rarely prints letters that are supportive of BJP andr CPM views or show factual inaccuracies in often higly editorialised news reports!

gopi great answer.wonder how many know affiliatins...

2009-06-22T06:36:57.032+05:30
gopi great answer.wonder how many know affiliatins of all theese media-mafia shobana is vir saghvis boss and these people are posing neutral media to fool gullibles ignorants with a hidden agenda against bjp.

vir and ht will point to bjp and hindus falsely in jhabua,knataka church bombings,drumbeat falsehood against hindus in orissa,gujarat, etc and accuse modi and bjp falsely but will hide facts about themselves.

this anon who says praful bidwai and dsouza are on...

2009-06-22T06:29:49.439+05:30
this anon who says praful bidwai and dsouza are only recating to guj 2002 is totally insane.

fact is that bidwai and souza and teesta and elmedia-mafia have been against bjp-hindus- for 25 years.it is their shop and livelihood by writing in dawn and arabia and pakistan.
there is amjor hindu bashing industry based on muslim and christian markets.

gujarta 2002 was one major business like the christmas season in the west to make these guys rich by funds from the muslim world.

an dthey are still milking it.

you anon are traitor just like them.

anon who said 'The excuse of doctored tapes d...

2009-06-22T06:20:42.036+05:30
anon who said

'The excuse of doctored tapes does not help'

how do u know? congresss has done all this before with help from tehelka.even muthalik could have been bribed.

alos as u said the media has a clear agenda to defeat the bjp and make congress win.

so naturally it will drumbeat only what helps congress and hide the development issue.

u nned to understnand that many hindus support varun and up saw some enthusiasm from many for varun and bjp after his arrest which was natural.

so the real qs is how many hindus support varun for his self-defence stand .many do.

and how do u know poeple do not believ varun when he says they were doctored.

how can u speak for crores who might hav eno problem with varuns speech even if not doctored.

bjp lost because of many other reasons not varun.

this is typical media-mafia agenda like they blamed gujarat for 2004.

bjp cannot win by appeasing muslims like the emedia mafia want.

bjp shuld not take advise form congress media jihadi agents who r out to destroy the right to dfence by hindus to help anti-hindu forces like islamists and conversionists.

media is not talking about return of anti-conversion bill
and gujarta terror bill back to the bjpstates and gujarat.

i agrre with all those who say that bjp needs aggr...

2009-06-22T06:09:17.743+05:30
i agrre with all those who say that bjp needs aggressive spokesmen.

i wonder about this all the time.
look at the anchors.they are so hostile the way they have aone point agenda to corner bjp,hindus,modi varun and they have been doing this for 25 years.

they are part of the islamist-evangelic-congress gang.

the irony is they pose a sneutral and some unsuspecting ignorants buy that.on the other hand the so called bjp reps are wimps including swapan.not only are they outnumbered with the 'neutral" anchor equalling 3 opponents,two psedo anti-bjp leftist fundoo intellectuals from media or jnu,and one congressman,they are just punching bags and on top they are namby pamby wimps,including swapan

the disgusting thing is truth and logic is on the side of the bjp and yet they dont fight it out.

but remebr the problem is also that the disgusting motivated elmedia mafia also cuts them off and gives them little time.

the best spokesman i belive was guy who used to show up before 2002 when he became cm.

guees who.narendra modi.he would standup with his incisive rebuttal and logic which u see till this day when he silences these punks from elmedimafia

anonymous who calls teesta and teheka a progressiv...

2009-06-22T06:00:18.551+05:30
anonymous who calls teesta and teheka a progressive.

what a joke.These are agents of jihadis and isi and so r most like ndtv ELMDEIA MAFIA

with people like these ,osama and jiahdis can win over india without even fighting a war.

this elemdia-mafia ahs links in the islamic world and teesta tehelka,ndtv,all have business interests there.

these eds were licking mush feet at agra when he called terrorists freedom fighters.they told mush we will take care of bjp.

they love mush and hate patriot modi.why dont they join dawood in pakistan.he is better atleats he fled india.

Anonymous sir, thanks for the tutorial. Please sen...

2009-06-22T03:15:10.290+05:30
Anonymous sir, thanks for the tutorial. Please send me your account number and I will transfer some money to you :)

On serious note. I agree with some of the things that you say; the ELM does indulge in propaganda against the BJP and it brushes Congress's shameless peddling to radical Islamists under the carpet. However, we are discussing something else.

I am sure not God, but here are my thoughts. Varun Gandhi episode did two things: 1. it consolidated the Muslim vote even more that before and 2. it turned off a large number of Hindus who are not plugged into the whole thing like me (and certainly do not have your insight into the working of ELM).

These people trust the media more than I or you do. I have believed that there are two ways to counter the media propaganda. Firstly, the party has to do the right things. This would mean condemning extremism and not be regressive. Being pro-Hindu does not translate into being anti-Muslim, for example. Secondly, have a media strategy. The BJP has no media strategy. It believes that if it keeps humoring the talking heads in NDTV, they will give the party a fair deal. It is not going to happen. They have to be countered with agreesiveness and with ample measure of ridicule thrown in. The party should also be extremely serious about forming some alliances in the media so that there are at least a few channels that take its line. It is possible.

>>If you need proof for this, just look at h...

2009-06-21T19:43:27.782+05:30
>>If you need proof for this, just look at how the Christian Right has come to own the liberal left in the USA when it comes to their agenda - regardless of which party (Republican or Democrat) is in power.

Brilliant observation Anonymous. Note that Obama did NOT dismantle any of Bush's "faith-based" initiatives.

Vinod Mehta in my view is a pathetic figure. He ha...

2009-06-21T19:30:47.165+05:30
Vinod Mehta in my view is a pathetic figure. He has been an Establishment flunkie for so many years, and yet has so little to show for it. I notice that most other editors do not merely advance the interests of their promoters/publishers; they build their own nests as well (kind of like folks in government employment doing "side business" during their official work time, with government resources to boot). People like Vir Sanghvi played their cards well. Even juniors like Sardesai are in line for Padma Bhushans (while positioning their wives and near and dear ones for Padmasris) but Mehta? No luck. And that despite running a cover story that said "Saint Sonia!" in response to Sonia Gandhi's inner-voice-inspired 2004 tyaag. His secularism is prisitine and his liberalism is unadulterated. Few here would know that he demanded a ban on Satanic Verses. His magazine always dispensed sec-lib wisdom with the same smoothness and flourish as your McDonald's vending machine dispensing softie ice-cream. Gay rights in India? He was there first. Women's lib? He did it several times. Bold and daring cover stories on sex, adultery and other taboo subjects? He been there and done it all before Sagarika Ghose was even born. And yet, I see no signs at all that the High Command looks at him as a club member. He disticntly gives me the impression of the outsider struggling to get inside.

I don't mean to be mean to him but let's think logically. What excuse can an Establishment journo have for not scaling the heights like his colleagues did, when he performed as well as they did on the drum-beating front?

@Anonymous http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2...

2009-06-21T19:24:12.973+05:30
@Anonymous

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2009/06/18/stories/2009061850250800.htm

Thanks for posting this link. It is by far the best analysis I have seen post elections.

I find no fault in Lavakare's reply. Some hard...

2009-06-21T19:08:08.192+05:30
I find no fault in Lavakare's reply. Some hardcore fans of Swapan pouring emotional reply here to support him are just sycophant of worst kind.

"Swapanda, you dared to criticise BJP so you ...

2009-06-21T18:45:15.633+05:30
"Swapanda, you dared to criticise BJP so you will get the brickbats. BJP supporters will question your motive, your finances, your background. Simply ignore them. They didn't ask those questions last 10 years. They cannot be asking now."

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This is biggest tragedy of this debate when we zameeni workers post hard questions to baseless Delhi base leaders, advisers and ideologues then their supporters -- who r most often duffer IITians, IIM or foreign university graduate-- start discrediting us in this manners. I just want to inform these moron brigade (doubtingaurav, Balaji, Prasanna et al nalayak folks)that we know these peoples and their dirty tactics more than u guys. So it'd be better if u use ur talent of blabbering for floating rubbish baseless ideas. U folks have no noesis of ground reality. Now thumb suckers will teach us politics.

"We need spokespersons who are assertive and ...

2009-06-21T18:28:57.412+05:30
"We need spokespersons who are assertive and articulative (someone like Nalin Kohli)"

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Who told u Nalin Kohli is smart ? He also belongs to the list of billi ke gu leaders. During LS election I was watching one debate on CNN-IBN sister channel IBN 7 (it's a Hindi channel) where Nalin was also present when anchor (who is anti-BJP and anti-Hindu to the core) asked some tough questions to him (Nalin) then he has no reply to offer!! Yes, I'm not exaggerating, I'm swearing he didn't have any reply, after waiting for few minutes anchor turned towards Yogendra Yadav. Just think how insulted I and millions of BJP followers were feeling at that time.

"and not even the most biased left wingers li...

2009-06-21T14:01:01.327+05:30
"and not even the most biased left wingers like Barkha/Sagarika would call Teesta reputed or Tehelka unbiased."

This is laughable. You people dont even know that Teesta Setalvad very frequently appears on many reputed news channels as a special guest. Teesta Setalvad and Tehelka have progressive alliances. Many progressives contributed to Teesta's struggle against Hindu fundamentalism. Many progressives contributed one lakh rupees each to set up Tehelka. Why will progressive people do this if Tehelka and Setalvad are not reputed and unbiased.

Sudhakar Menon

Arjun, Vinod Mehta is the biggest example of the ...

2009-06-21T13:55:27.118+05:30
Arjun,

Vinod Mehta is the biggest example of the newly discovered species known as “fringe lunatics”. He must have introspected real hard having missed the bus when the establishment was doling out Padmashrees last time round before the elections to the smart guys in media who know which side of the bread is buttered. This time he seems determined to be the first in queue from the word go for the next bus. He did pull out a schumacher like start this time, but i wonder what took him so long for him to discover the magic potion of ass-kissing the establishment and watch-dogging the opposition, now when he is well over the hill. It remains to be seen where he stands in the rat race with the much younger and smarter bimbos. May be a botox injection and garnier color naturals is what he needs.

I am beginning to think that some of the spokesper...

2009-06-21T12:30:58.095+05:30
I am beginning to think that some of the spokespersons behave more like Congress Party left outs than core BJP personalities!

Very rarely I could see BJP spokespersons speak with passion and ridiculing Media persons (which can be done drop of the hat if you have minimum common sense plus political knowledge).

As someone says, Kulkarni, Siddharth Nath Sing are real disgrace. Looks like they are readily agreeing to anything said by TV Anchors!!!!

For Anonymous who wrote this: "is cbse= madra...

2009-06-21T12:19:04.772+05:30
For Anonymous who wrote this: "is cbse= madrasa, muslim reservation ,shahbano,first claim modern enough for you like it is for those guys who invite you on tv or print just so that u play along with their cues to bash bjp,varun,muthalik while hushing up the great modern record of the congress making india such a modern country with no water and sanitation and power after 60 yrs."

A large section of the Hindu society does not even know about half of the things like CBSE = Madrasa education. The reason obviously is the media. So, unless they know about it..it is useless to discuss whether they vote for it or against it. These things don't affect them directly. But attitudes of Muthalik types affects them directly and the noise generated by the media around such issues is deafening. After the failure of the BJP to build the Ram Mandir (however justified the reason maybe), many Hindus have started looking at the Janmbhooomi issue, Varun speeches just as vote bank politics. Hence, the BJP needs to deliver something more. Modi can bring back quite a number of voters who deserted the BJP after the Mandir was dropped for coalition politics. This is what I can say from the discussions I have had with people.

I trust Swapanda when he says Varun's speech was ugly. But it could have been handled in a different way. The context could have been explained and Varun could have explained who exactly it was meant for (unless he didn't mean it for all of Muslims). An apology for the excessively harsh words would not have been out of place. The excuse of doctored tapes does not help. No one believes it. But what happened was that the intent came out as dubious, and the BJP came out as dubious with the way this event was handled. I don't know how many people had Varun in his mind when they voted for the Congress..but the BJP could have done better for its image.

Swapanda, you dared to criticise BJP so you will g...

2009-06-21T11:52:34.177+05:30
Swapanda, you dared to criticise BJP so you will get the brickbats. BJP supporters will question your motive, your finances, your background. Simply ignore them. They didn't ask those questions last 10 years. They cannot be asking now.

To all knee jerk nationalists, here is my advic...

2009-06-21T11:29:21.571+05:30
To all knee jerk nationalists, here is my advice:

Ignore moderate Hindus at your peril
Hindus have remained moderate over millenia. Just because you are agitated over Jihadi types and psecular media, you cannot change this fact.

ROFL, this is truly a brilliant observation.

Given this, the prescription for the knee jerk nationalists is clear. Be insistent and inflexible in your demands just as the Jihadi types and psecular media are. Mark out the moderate Hindu as the enemy along with the Jihadi and psecular types. The moderate Hindus will then accomodate you just as they accomodate the Jihadi and psecular types.

If you need proof for this, just look at how the Christian Right has come to own the liberal left in the USA when it comes to their agenda - regardless of which party (Republican or Democrat) is in power.